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		By: Roleplay Adventures		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OMG. The Annual was the worst.

That made zero sense. I can&#039;t accept those kind of issues. It just hurts my brain too much. Not even Deadpool would of survived that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG. The Annual was the worst.</p>
<p>That made zero sense. I can&#8217;t accept those kind of issues. It just hurts my brain too much. Not even Deadpool would of survived that.</p>
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		By: D.F.		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now I understand what you mean, years ago there was another concept for the healing factor, a concept that yes, there&#039;s pain but because it heals really fast it doesn&#039;t hurt that much. In Wolverine 174, he loses his healing factor and when he extend his claws he says &quot;without my healin&#039; factor these claws are killing me&quot;. For me this concept is much more LOGIC than the actual concept.

In last issue Wolverine says that just extendind his claws and having a metal skull, it hurts like hell and the pain never finish, I hate it, I don&#039;t find it logic, and what we saw in Wolverine 43 (civil war) that wasn&#039;t logic at all, and in Annual - Deathsong it&#039;s even less logic, he falls in liquid fire and he survives? WTF]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I understand what you mean, years ago there was another concept for the healing factor, a concept that yes, there&#8217;s pain but because it heals really fast it doesn&#8217;t hurt that much. In Wolverine 174, he loses his healing factor and when he extend his claws he says &#8220;without my healin&#8217; factor these claws are killing me&#8221;. For me this concept is much more LOGIC than the actual concept.</p>
<p>In last issue Wolverine says that just extendind his claws and having a metal skull, it hurts like hell and the pain never finish, I hate it, I don&#8217;t find it logic, and what we saw in Wolverine 43 (civil war) that wasn&#8217;t logic at all, and in Annual &#8211; Deathsong it&#8217;s even less logic, he falls in liquid fire and he survives? WTF</p>
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		By: DiG...		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I actually don&#039;t mind it if works one way or the other. As long-time readers of my reviews (and rants) have probably noticed, it is inconsistency that really drives me nuts. If you are not going to alter Wolverine indestructability to some extent, then don&#039;t toss around lines like, &quot;Next time I buy the farm, I buy it for keeps.&quot;

And from his interview with &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130712&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Newsarama&lt;/a&gt;, even writer Marc Guggenheim states...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;I tried to suggest and establish in issue #48 that, when his body takes a pounding, his body recovers, but his spirit really suffers. I was trying to create an emotional cost to the character, so that you can treat him like one of those toys that you can beat the crap out of, but it always retains its shape. From a character standpoint, this constant beating on him does take a tool. Every time he suffers one of these serious injuries, he has to literally fight his way out of purgatory. Over time, that is more and more and more difficult and trying to his very soul.

The reason I did that was because, as a writer, I wanted there to be consequences for this character. Without consequences, there’s no jeopardy, and without jeopardy, there’s no drama. I didn’t have the clout to depower him, to remove the healing factor or lessen the effectiveness of the healing factor, but I can suggest that, whenever he gets the crap beaten out of him, it really takes its toll on his soul.

By the end of this arc, I hope to at least suggest some parity. Not a depowering, so much as putting the brakes on how much lickin’ he can take and still keep on tickin’.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If this is true, it should have some ramifications or impact on a story (or two) that appear only a few months down the line. If not, then don&#039;t bring it up.

But then I&#039;m a cranky and cantankerous bastard, so take what I say with a grain (or truckload) of salt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t mind it if works one way or the other. As long-time readers of my reviews (and rants) have probably noticed, it is inconsistency that really drives me nuts. If you are not going to alter Wolverine indestructability to some extent, then don&#8217;t toss around lines like, &#8220;Next time I buy the farm, I buy it for keeps.&#8221;</p>
<p>And from his interview with <a href="http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130712" rel="nofollow">Newsarama</a>, even writer Marc Guggenheim states&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I tried to suggest and establish in issue #48 that, when his body takes a pounding, his body recovers, but his spirit really suffers. I was trying to create an emotional cost to the character, so that you can treat him like one of those toys that you can beat the crap out of, but it always retains its shape. From a character standpoint, this constant beating on him does take a tool. Every time he suffers one of these serious injuries, he has to literally fight his way out of purgatory. Over time, that is more and more and more difficult and trying to his very soul.</p>
<p>The reason I did that was because, as a writer, I wanted there to be consequences for this character. Without consequences, there’s no jeopardy, and without jeopardy, there’s no drama. I didn’t have the clout to depower him, to remove the healing factor or lessen the effectiveness of the healing factor, but I can suggest that, whenever he gets the crap beaten out of him, it really takes its toll on his soul.</p>
<p>By the end of this arc, I hope to at least suggest some parity. Not a depowering, so much as putting the brakes on how much lickin’ he can take and still keep on tickin’.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If this is true, it should have some ramifications or impact on a story (or two) that appear only a few months down the line. If not, then don&#8217;t bring it up.</p>
<p>But then I&#8217;m a cranky and cantankerous bastard, so take what I say with a grain (or truckload) of salt.</p>
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		By: D.F.		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the arc &quot;Logan dies&quot; wanted to explain Logan&#039;s immortality and not remove it, and it works for me, except that sometimes it is exagerated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the arc &#8220;Logan dies&#8221; wanted to explain Logan&#8217;s immortality and not remove it, and it works for me, except that sometimes it is exagerated.</p>
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		By: Roleplay Adventures		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-136</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roleplay Adventures]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who really knows what crap happened in Wolverine 61, I don&#039;t even consider it to be canon , since the art was so butt ugly. I&#039;m trying to pretend those issues didn&#039;t exist .

Back in the Claremont days Logan could take a bullet and keep going. But the car explosion was a little over the top , even though it was kind of cool too. Personally I don&#039;t have a problem with the super healing factor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who really knows what crap happened in Wolverine 61, I don&#8217;t even consider it to be canon , since the art was so butt ugly. I&#8217;m trying to pretend those issues didn&#8217;t exist .</p>
<p>Back in the Claremont days Logan could take a bullet and keep going. But the car explosion was a little over the top , even though it was kind of cool too. Personally I don&#8217;t have a problem with the super healing factor.</p>
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		By: DiG...		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DiG...]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought that piece of Logan&#039;s soul was &#039;installed&#039; in Shogun, not Shingen. And Logan cut Shogun into briquettes at the end of &quot;Wolverine&#039; #61. So the deal that Lazaer and Logan subsequently agree to -- the one that unifies Logan&#039;s soul and removes his immunity to death -- should be valid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that piece of Logan&#8217;s soul was &#8216;installed&#8217; in Shogun, not Shingen. And Logan cut Shogun into briquettes at the end of &#8220;Wolverine&#8217; #61. So the deal that Lazaer and Logan subsequently agree to &#8212; the one that unifies Logan&#8217;s soul and removes his immunity to death &#8212; should be valid.</p>
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		By: D.F.		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2008/04/25/review-wolverine-64/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D.F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[about Logan&#039;s immortality, I tought it was because of a piece of his soul that was &quot;installed&quot; in Shingen&#039;s soul to bring him to live again, Wolverine had to kill Shingen again to have his soul as a whole and at the end of the arc, Shingen wasn&#039;t dead, so Wolverine still has his immortality]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about Logan&#8217;s immortality, I tought it was because of a piece of his soul that was &#8220;installed&#8221; in Shingen&#8217;s soul to bring him to live again, Wolverine had to kill Shingen again to have his soul as a whole and at the end of the arc, Shingen wasn&#8217;t dead, so Wolverine still has his immortality</p>
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