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		By: Wolf Spider		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[^ i&#039;m almost entirely sure that was Romulus. he was there with Sabretooth and he&#039;s pretty much Romulus&#039;s second hand man. and, if not, the only thing that matters is that Romulus was giving the orders. and it should be interesting when Logan&#039;s son, Daken (who was raised by Romulus) finds out about him giving the order to kill his mom, Itsu. Way&#039;s already set up a confrontation between Winter Soldier and Daken. whenever that happens, the shiza should hit the fan seeing as to how *gasp!* Bucky was the one that pulled the trigger!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ i&#8217;m almost entirely sure that was Romulus. he was there with Sabretooth and he&#8217;s pretty much Romulus&#8217;s second hand man. and, if not, the only thing that matters is that Romulus was giving the orders. and it should be interesting when Logan&#8217;s son, Daken (who was raised by Romulus) finds out about him giving the order to kill his mom, Itsu. Way&#8217;s already set up a confrontation between Winter Soldier and Daken. whenever that happens, the shiza should hit the fan seeing as to how *gasp!* Bucky was the one that pulled the trigger!</p>
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		By: gabrielzero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to agree Wolf Spider , and hope Daniel Way  brings the entire story together. Obviously there was the person who stole his son (Romulus?) , and that&#039;s a big loose end that will be wrapped up before this is all over with. (Hopefully.) So I&#039;m waiting until it&#039;s all over with before I pass my own judgment. I really like the two reviews that were given here. And I humbly agree that this site has opened my eyes to Wolverine&#039;s back story.  Woot for Typing Monkeys. xD]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to agree Wolf Spider , and hope Daniel Way  brings the entire story together. Obviously there was the person who stole his son (Romulus?) , and that&#8217;s a big loose end that will be wrapped up before this is all over with. (Hopefully.) So I&#8217;m waiting until it&#8217;s all over with before I pass my own judgment. I really like the two reviews that were given here. And I humbly agree that this site has opened my eyes to Wolverine&#8217;s back story.  Woot for Typing Monkeys. xD</p>
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		By: Wolf Spider		</title>
		<link>https://wolverinefiles.com/2007/12/22/review-wolverine-origins-20/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that didn&#039;t make sense to me either. especially not since they have already been shown fighting together later in the war. the only way i can figure it is that Cap heard Logan say &quot;but i didn&#039;t tell them about Bucky&quot; and later assumed that Logan selling them out was a ploy to get Bucky close to Baron Zemo to take HIM out. that&#039;s the only way it can make sense to me. i try not to let myself think past that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that didn&#8217;t make sense to me either. especially not since they have already been shown fighting together later in the war. the only way i can figure it is that Cap heard Logan say &#8220;but i didn&#8217;t tell them about Bucky&#8221; and later assumed that Logan selling them out was a ploy to get Bucky close to Baron Zemo to take HIM out. that&#8217;s the only way it can make sense to me. i try not to let myself think past that.</p>
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		By: D.F.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m disappointed with the conclusion of this arc, I didn&#039;t have any problems with the whole story, it&#039;s okay with me, but the conclusion doesn&#039;t have any meaning with what comes after between Wolverine and Captain America.

How can Captain America have even a little bit of confidence in Wolverine if he betrayed Cap to the Nazis? It doesn&#039;t work for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disappointed with the conclusion of this arc, I didn&#8217;t have any problems with the whole story, it&#8217;s okay with me, but the conclusion doesn&#8217;t have any meaning with what comes after between Wolverine and Captain America.</p>
<p>How can Captain America have even a little bit of confidence in Wolverine if he betrayed Cap to the Nazis? It doesn&#8217;t work for me.</p>
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		By: Wolf Spider		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[This is lengthy. Sorry. I&#039;ve been a huge Wolverine fan since i was 6 years old reading the Clarmont stories in &quot;X-Men Classic&quot; and have read an enormous degree of Wolverine-related material since. I have a tattoo on my right arm in the brown costume from the 80&#039;s. I frequent this site and it&#039;s put a lot of things into perspective for me. oh, and i swear to god, i DO have a life.]

Very good point. I agree whole-heartedly that this, as well as just about every Wolverine or Origins arc since &#039;Origins and Endings&#039; (which I enjoyed before it spiraled into oblivion in &#039;Origins&#039;) has/have completely ruined James &quot;Logan&quot; Howlett&#039;s reputation for the time being. But that&#039;s just it. &quot;for the time being&quot;. In my opinion, Daniel Way seems to write from the top to the bottom of a huge proverbial triangle. Taking baby steps towards a much larger picture. Granted, he does have plot holes you could drive a mac truck through, and he SEEMS to be leaving a lot of loose ends so far, AND he hasn&#039;t really gotten to the point yet, I have some faith that he&#039;ll tie everything together...hopefully...eventually. For now, I&#039;m enjoying the meaning that he&#039;s given to a few little details of a lot of back issues (i.e. the conversation with Silver Samurai about the Muramasa blade in the first ongoing Wolvie series, and the whole birthday thing with Sabretooth, etc.) that didn&#039;t really make sense at all before. I even think, by shedding light on Romulus&#039; manipulations of Logan, that Way is finally explaining Logan&#039;s berserker rages. &quot;Then the kill light goes on, blinding me, wiping out my thoughts&quot;. &quot;They knew just what to do to get me here.&quot; [-stuff from Origins and Endings] All of this could factor heavily into why Wolverine had so many self-conflicts back in the Clarmont days. How did little sickly James Howlett become a second-nature killer in the first place? He obviously regretted it. He came down so hard on himself for it. Why not just stop? Other than &quot;You killed my papa! I&#039;ll kill you back, I&#039;ll kill you back!!&quot; from the Origin mini (which was in defense of a loved one), killing just doesn&#039;t seem like it should be in Logan&#039;s nature. Unless someone PUT it there. And now that he remembers all the horrible things he&#039;s done (and we, as readers, can see that he&#039;s justified in hating himself) just imagine what changes that will have on his personality. It&#039;s him clawing people in front of Mariko times like FIVE HUNDRED!!

I&#039;m probably projecting meaning onto Daniel Way&#039;s writing that isn&#039;t really there, but the main reason I kinda like him (at least more than Hama) is that he actually gives me room to project. He&#039;s definitely more of a novelist than a comic writer. I really hope he&#039;s going somewhere with all this. But the guy DID say he had a five year plan. So he&#039;s obviously got a head full of ideas at least.

Thanks to anyone that actually read this entire flamin&#039; thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[This is lengthy. Sorry. I&#8217;ve been a huge Wolverine fan since i was 6 years old reading the Clarmont stories in &#8220;X-Men Classic&#8221; and have read an enormous degree of Wolverine-related material since. I have a tattoo on my right arm in the brown costume from the 80&#8217;s. I frequent this site and it&#8217;s put a lot of things into perspective for me. oh, and i swear to god, i DO have a life.]</p>
<p>Very good point. I agree whole-heartedly that this, as well as just about every Wolverine or Origins arc since &#8216;Origins and Endings&#8217; (which I enjoyed before it spiraled into oblivion in &#8216;Origins&#8217;) has/have completely ruined James &#8220;Logan&#8221; Howlett&#8217;s reputation for the time being. But that&#8217;s just it. &#8220;for the time being&#8221;. In my opinion, Daniel Way seems to write from the top to the bottom of a huge proverbial triangle. Taking baby steps towards a much larger picture. Granted, he does have plot holes you could drive a mac truck through, and he SEEMS to be leaving a lot of loose ends so far, AND he hasn&#8217;t really gotten to the point yet, I have some faith that he&#8217;ll tie everything together&#8230;hopefully&#8230;eventually. For now, I&#8217;m enjoying the meaning that he&#8217;s given to a few little details of a lot of back issues (i.e. the conversation with Silver Samurai about the Muramasa blade in the first ongoing Wolvie series, and the whole birthday thing with Sabretooth, etc.) that didn&#8217;t really make sense at all before. I even think, by shedding light on Romulus&#8217; manipulations of Logan, that Way is finally explaining Logan&#8217;s berserker rages. &#8220;Then the kill light goes on, blinding me, wiping out my thoughts&#8221;. &#8220;They knew just what to do to get me here.&#8221; [-stuff from Origins and Endings] All of this could factor heavily into why Wolverine had so many self-conflicts back in the Clarmont days. How did little sickly James Howlett become a second-nature killer in the first place? He obviously regretted it. He came down so hard on himself for it. Why not just stop? Other than &#8220;You killed my papa! I&#8217;ll kill you back, I&#8217;ll kill you back!!&#8221; from the Origin mini (which was in defense of a loved one), killing just doesn&#8217;t seem like it should be in Logan&#8217;s nature. Unless someone PUT it there. And now that he remembers all the horrible things he&#8217;s done (and we, as readers, can see that he&#8217;s justified in hating himself) just imagine what changes that will have on his personality. It&#8217;s him clawing people in front of Mariko times like FIVE HUNDRED!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably projecting meaning onto Daniel Way&#8217;s writing that isn&#8217;t really there, but the main reason I kinda like him (at least more than Hama) is that he actually gives me room to project. He&#8217;s definitely more of a novelist than a comic writer. I really hope he&#8217;s going somewhere with all this. But the guy DID say he had a five year plan. So he&#8217;s obviously got a head full of ideas at least.</p>
<p>Thanks to anyone that actually read this entire flamin&#8217; thing.</p>
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